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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:22 am    Post subject: I don't belong to this so-called 'civilisation' Reply with quote

I don't have an in depth knowledge of politics. However I do know that petrol, energy costs, food prices and the general cost of living in the UK are way off the scale. What are the sky high taxes paying for?

George Bush's so called 'War Against Terror'. I am aware that terrorists do operate but to the extent that we need to send troops to Afghanistan? I have my doubts. War is a lucrative business for governments yet they bleed the people dry.

It seems Gordon 'charisma' Brown has not only taken on Blair's roll as Prime Minister but also as chief cock-sucker to George Bush.

It just seems that the British public are happy to bend over and take it up the arse. Is anyone standing up? Let's get these parasites out of power and stand up for our selves.

I don't want troops in Afghanistan. I want LOWER taxes and BETTER services. I want EVERY penny of government money to be accounted for by an independent body. I want the bitch who paid her nanny to answer the phone out of my taxes to see how it feels to have to juggle child care and a full time job on less than 200 a week and to get off her fat arse and answer the phone herself.

I want LIFE imprisonment to mean LIFE. I want alcohol to be graded as the most harmful and costly DRUG to our society and stop misgrading other less harmful drugs - in fact, legalise and tax everything. This would get the dealers off the streets, allow us to identify people who need help and eliminate the massive costs on prosecution for something that's gonna continue to happen anyway. Making any drug illegal just sends it underground - harder to control, riskier to the addict and costly to police.

I want the thugs on the streets to serve life changing prison sentences, whether they murder or simply attack someone. This behaviour is simply unacceptable in a civilised society.

The politicians will not stop lying but it's time someone stood up and said, 'do you think we're falling for all your bullshit lies'? I'm not paying you, you fat suit of bugger-all. Show me some results and then we'll think about giving you a bit of pocket money.

Ok, we are sorry that Prescott was found to be suffering from bolemia but he can still fit inside ONE Jag!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with much of what you have said but I think people complain all the time. They air their views on 'Question Time', they sign petitions, they walk in anti-war protests. The government just don't listen, they do what they want...

Have been listening to Thom Yorke's 'The Eraser' & adore the song Harrowdown Hill. It's a very sad & poignant song. The theme is Dr David Kelly & his alleged murder >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488667/Why-I-know-weapons-expert-Dr-David-Kelly-murdered-MP-spent-year-investigating-death.html

Lyrics from the song include: "We think the same things at the same time
We just cant do anything about it" - If you speak up, you are prone to being silenced. Watch the music video (it's fantastic): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS37ZSYOwTA
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a similar vein, this is an effective advert >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEwkrnw9g84 - Hmm... I guess there is always more you can do in this world.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Agree with much of what you have said but I think people complain all the time. They air their views on 'Question Time', they sign petitions, the walk in anti-war protests. The government just don't listen, they do what they want...


I have to disagree, Jen. Protests, political tv programs? It's not enough. People need to come together. The government can only continue while the masses let them. The last time people really made a difference was the poll tax (was it the late 80's??? I was very young). But the masses got together and said we are not having this. It s my belief that we should be doing this with the present sacks of shit in power saying, we will not stand for being the highest taxed country with bugger all to show for it. We will not go into battle on the whim of an American meglomaniac and the people profitting from our massive shortfalls should be brought to task for corruption.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you know how idealistic I actually am. I always have hope that things will change for the better as we evolve as human beings & reach a consensus on how the world should be. Just hope mankind doesn't destroy itself before we have chance to make a real difference. Apologies if that sounds pretentious.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I could be that optimistc, Jen but I turn on the news every day and the situation, along with my own personal situation (the two seem to be inter-connected) seems to be deteriorating rapidly on a daily basis. I rarely see any optimism. I try. I just don't. I grieve.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it all started when Alanis Morrisette had her beautiful long hair cut off in the video to 'Everything'. The most heartbreaking moment in the history of history. I still would though, but it might take longer.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*hugs*

Things do change and sometimes for the better. I don't think things are hopeless.

marbles wrote:
I think it all started when Alanis Morrisette had her beautiful long hair cut off in the video to 'Everything'. The most heartbreaking moment in the history of history. I still would though, but it might take longer.


I'm undecided on her hair. I think the long was better but short still looks pretty good on her.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Agree with much of what you have said but I think people complain all the time. They air their views on 'Question Time', they sign petitions, the walk in anti-war protests. The government just don't listen, they do what they want...


I have to disagree, Jen. Protests, political tv programs? It's not enough. People need to come together. The government can only continue while the masses let them. The last time people really made a difference was the poll tax (was it the late 80's??? I was very young). But the masses got together and said we are not having this. It s my belief that we should be doing this with the present sacks of shit in power saying, we will not stand for being the highest taxed country with bugger all to show for it. We will not go into battle on the whim of an American meglomaniac and the people profitting from our massive shortfalls should be brought to task for corruption.


One does agree with most of what you have said, but one does find it hard to think that the days of people forcing change have gone, after all the vast majority of young people are no longer distributed by the state of the world and will blindly continue down the road, mob culture or mass commercialism has already gotten its claws into them, war is cool to the mass of t driven young guys, so one does sadly think that thinking about the political landscape is so out of vogue, even when hard won liberty is at stake.

Unless the culture of the young is replaced by a new culture that values life, ideas, freedom, intelligence and vilifies war, oppression, stupidity and blatant empire building, sadly we will not say a change, society is filled with lackadaisical people, who are desperate for the nanny state to tell them what to do and protect them from having to think, it is ones belief that we will continue to harbour and even actively encourage dictators like the current labour party and bush, who are the real terrorists of this world.

At this point, one would like to point the reader in the direction of a set of well known facts, that in ones view sum up the incompetency (or in ones view, illegality) of our so called government and her allies, This isn't a complete list however but one is short on time.

First, let us take a moment to look at that plagiarised dossier that was to support America's view that Iraq was harbouring nuclear weapons.
Not only was this "Dossier" someone's university work but it was wholly out of date and even then it was based on public domain knowledge (that was known to be incomplete), it not only made accusations that made the sun's sensualist usual rambling look rather plain in comparison but also added to the original text, this ridiculous and outlandish statement "Iraq could deploy biological weapons within 45 minutes of an order to do", of course anyone who knows anything about the current generation of biological weapons, knows also that the statement above is imposable, unless you do think that Umbrella do exist and operate out of Iraq.

Next, one wishes to take you on a voyage into the unknown, a voyage were the government deploys (and continues to deploy) failed technology, curtails our civil liberalities, befriends large multinationals, crushes the small business and the common man alike.

In the name of terrorism, they continue terrorise the populace without worry of reprisals from this isle of docile creatures, the 9 to 5 human is barely human at all, without the sense of rebellion, sense of direction and little intelligence outside of the job, they pose next to no threat, after all most of the swill (the workforce) believe the government to be some kind of demigod, all knowing and already all seeing, they think that the government is nothing that they need to worry about after all, are they not looking out for the people of this small isle.

They care not to see the truth and convince themselves that all is fine, even when taxes go up, all they decide to take part in is a token protest, it makes them feel better, even though they have archived little, they may express a option on something as simple as petrol tax but on little else and why should they, in the eyes of the masses, they live there own little world, knowing little of anything else. When it comes to civil rights curating rights, as long as its encapsulated in a pretty package they will put down the cash and pay to have the rights they have written off for supposed "security", they question not, after all its all for the good of the isle.

Now lets think about the governments technological record, one is thinking about (egov)Gateway and its long development time, cost and inaccessibility (as in only allowing Internet Explorer, Visa, etc), this example also highlights the close ties to Microsoft (and other multinationals) to the exclusion of solutions from other companies, solutions one may add that were not only cheaper but alot more feature complete. One does ask at this point for the reader to think of the fiasco over the new NHS IT system, not only this system arrive late (5-10 years), it also had a raft of costly (and hi profile) mistakes tied to it.

The government now wants to implement this national ID card system, not only is this costly and insecure, its also restrictive of our rights, storing infomation about our finger prints, facial and iris scans as well as place of residence past and present, other information can and will be added.
The government has admitted publicly that this measure will not help to fight so called terrorists yet still present it as so. Talking from a technological standpoint, the technology used in both the proposed ID card and new (current) passport (RFid) is flawed in so many ways and one does feel that it exposes people to data theft like nothing else, this maybe due to the consent broadcast of sensitive information on radio frequency, it has also been said that this technology may also be used to identify targets (for bomb and other nasties).

Lets not forget that parts of this "system" run on M$ Access >_<.

Atomic Weapons and the UK continued development program.

To be continued
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