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Jess
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject: Creative Hate Reply with quote

I was wondering, is anyone here like myself when it comes to your own work?

I despise about 90% of my finished work often to extremes of hating it, wanting to or actually destroying it.

For example about 70 - 90% of my photography is never seen publicly not because it is visually damaged or anything like that, Just it didn't "feel" right to me or I felt so angry at myself for creating it, that it get instantly destroyed or filed away out of my sight.

This for me came to the fore when I was working on a advertising campaign for a friends nightclub. It took me about a year to develop the campaign with him (after my usual 12 or 13 restarts) then one night while putting the finishing touches on everything before the design for the advertising junk to be printed and all that, I came in after working on the site late (as per) deleted it, took the negatives (and the as yet to be developed rolls), got on a bus to my grandfathers garden (a allotment) and burned the lot.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inter-est-ing. I used to get frustrated in college. I had dropped art at A'level and then returned to it for university so I was out of practice etc. Everyone around me seemed so talented and creative, and I struggled with low self-esteem about my work for ages but am more easy going and confident these days. Suprisingly, it has become easier to detach myself from a project (if I don't like it but the client does, for example). Have ripped things up in the past but never burned anything.

Am curious, what did they say afterwards at the Nightclub?
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Jess
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

opticalparadox wrote:
Am curious, what did they say afterwards at the Nightclub?


oh he hates me now mainly cos it was needed for him to get founding from the venture cap people but oh well, we broke up after that lol, not that how ever that we were going out at the time I was asked to do this work.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think for almost every good piece of work there's a whole body of trial and error behind it. How could anything get better, develop, improve, if it's expected to be spot on first time? Creativity doesn't work like that.

70-90% of your work not being seen publicly sounds like you've probably got a higher satisfaction rate than many.

I think it's a shame to hold work that doesn't succeed in contempt. It's the stuff that doesn't succeed that paves the way towards the stuff that does. Hopefully, one day Jess, you'll reach the stage where you see the value in the 'failures', because that's where you did all of your learning and creative growth.

Praise be to imperfection!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Moore wrote:
I think for almost every good piece of work there's a whole body of trial and error behind it. How could anything get better, develop, improve, if it's expected to be spot on first time? Creativity doesn't work like that.


I'd agree but I still get miffed off at my failures, mainly because they take alot of my time up before I notice that they are pants.

Of late, my obsession has been the f5Cd (fiveCARDSdown) website, to this date I've scraped the back and design of the pages no less than just over 100 times.
So this time I am going to do something minimalist (design wise) and hope that it doesn't get on my tits. I mean at least when doing designs for other people I Know what they want roughly but I change my mind all the time >_<.

Ian Moore wrote:
70-90% of your work not being seen publicly sounds like you've probably got a higher satisfaction rate than many.


This is why I do hold myself to this, I have seen so much of what I'd class as last min Friday work in every design or art area, mainly dA has shown me this.

It seems that most people on dA don't care if the work they do is substandard or to take another area of design, if you look at the design of the Apple Power Supply Unit (pre macbook) Its not upto the job.
Something that might save a life was not incorporated (they are prone to breakage in two well known places and when the cable snaps as I found it sparks) but on every other Power Supply in the world, (If that happened) would turn off.

Ok my web design, photography or my writing is going to kill anyone if its not 100% perfect but its still a work of "Art" and thus as a Artist one must make it representative of one's talent, Otherwise what is the point?

Or am I wrong?

This is also the reason the bands (MSH/RCS/Lost::Forgotten) never made a proper album (other than MSH) or was famous.

In most ways I am ashamed of my writing, more than my other artistic outputs.

It wasn't because it was bad per say, just not upto my ideals.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You sound like your own worst enemy....Sounds familiar. I can be a perfectionist at times and have been known to beat myself up on occasion.

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"Ok my web design, photography or my writing is going to kill anyone if its not 100% perfect but its still a work of "Art" and thus as a Artist one must make it representative of one's talent, Otherwise what is the point?"


Interesting. So you aren't talking about work for clients here but personal work? Cos obviously you must compromise if you are doing a paid job and want the client to be satisfied. Unfortunately, they don't often care about the 'art' but whether it is 'functional' and does exactly what they want. Naturally, it's great if you get someone who likes a more experimental, arty approach and/or gives you more creative freedom.

When it comes to web design, I am working hard to find a balance between form and function. I want webspaces to be inventive, original and pleasing to the eye but behind the scenes, I am working to tidy up the html code, learn more technical knowledge and improve SEO etc so that it is more usable and functional. I still want it to be part of my 'artwork' but there are other aspects that I try to encorporate so that it is more successful business-wise etc.

Think I am a jack of all trades, master of none. I keep trying to learn new skills that I can encompass. It's not easy, the learning curve involves a lot of time, chaos and frustration but as Ian says, necessary if you want to grow, develop and improve.

I was once asked by a college tutor, "How do you expect to make a living, pay bills etc?" And I replied, "Genuine artists are often impoverished, aren't they?" It was a romantic notion but not very practical. I don't think I'd call myself an artist to be honest.

What makes you think that the people on dA (deviant art) aren't trying? It might be the best they can do at this stage of their creative experience. Ooooh that phrase sounds good (and pretentious). Art is subjective (personal opinion based) isn't it?
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